anyone else have trouble with friends?

topic posted Tue, July 8, 2008 - 8:50 PM by  madame7
or "friends" who aren't really Friends, but you keep having faith and keep getting let down?
i unconsciously test people to see if they are true friends, and most people fail all my tests.
Is it because i'm content to be alone that i would rather not have any friends than have fake ones?
Is it because i'm a Capricorn that no one can meet my requirements for friendship?
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madame7
Seattle
  • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

    Tue, July 8, 2008 - 11:12 PM
    Yup.

    We Cappies are a rather proud bunch. We'd rather stand our own ground alone, that share it with the fakers.

    Long story short. Over the past couple of years I've been marginalized by my 'band mates', one of which I've played music with since we were in High School! The other two, since college. (I'm 45 now.)

    Two are independently wealthy and want to play in the afternoon when the wives are away. The other is 'Mr. Mom' and can drop the kids off at grannies. Meanwhile, I punch a clock and therefore have become 'inconvenient.' Forget about pals getting together to party a bit, jam out, for the sake of recreational rock. It's what's convenient that matters.

    I'm okay with it really. Without tooting one's horn (I'm a drummer anyway...) I feel I'm a better, more educated musician. The tac their now taking is toward 'Pop 40' (Journey, Bob Seger, etc..) as opposed to the classics - Zepp, Sabbath, Hendrix. It's just not been fun for a long time.

    The guitarist, is one of the wealthy ones. It's his place, deluxe pad in Malibu. When he wants, mid afternoons. For as long or short as he wants, sometimes for a little as 20 minutes. "Oops, Emergency phone meeting! We're done.) It takes me an hour just to get there sometimes, especially during the summer with beach traffic. And it's the set list he chooses since he's the melody. All in all, seriously sucky.

    I do feel a healthy separation from the not so fun scene. I'm playing music on my own all the time at home. Met some really incredible new friends. Some musical possiblities exist on the horizon. So things are actually improved.

    Again, I'm okay with not playing along, both literally and figureatively. What gets this goat, is how cowardly they've left me in the lurch. They've never told me that, "hey we'd like to play in the afternoons and we know you can't always make it, but we'll try it again sometime... " Nope. I just don't get calls to play anymore. It's been over a year, almost a year and a half. Yeah. "We're done."

    Two are Aries. The other is an Aquarian. There ya go.

    Cheers Cappies. Stand your ground with both hooves!



  • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

    Wed, July 9, 2008 - 7:08 AM
    Being a Capricorn born on 12/22 there is a lot of feckless, fun-loving Sagittarius in me... so I'm both the bad friend and the 'rather be alone than with the unreal.' This post makes me a bit sad: want to give you a hug. I am newbie on tribe.net but pretty old in 'real' (heh) life. Reading in this tribe I've been struck by your intelligence, clarity, straightforward approach and really good writing. So, want to say -- honey it's about THEM... not YOU... maybe a bit of us wants to be independent and fly solo but we do look for those who can fly with us... Hang in there... keep testing them, you'll find them. Use that Cap persistence! Have found that my sisters come through a bit more solidly (gender politics?) but would say... SHINE ON, the best is yet to come. Hoping to meet you in the flesh one day. ((((O)))))
    • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

      Wed, July 9, 2008 - 4:28 PM
      "maybe a bit of us wants to be independent and fly solo but we do look for those who can fly with us."

      this is precisely what it is.
      i'm close to the Sag. cusp as well, and with Venus in Sag, i can follow my whims rather selfishly and have been known to blow people off when i'm really into my own thing. However, I do make an effort to be accountable and apologetic if i've not followed through or kept my word, and part of why i do this is in hopes of leading a good example. Unfortunately, i rarely see others modeling this behavior, and i almost never meet anyone who can keep up with me consistently. Thanks for your encouragement though, i know i'll find my tribe eventually.

      To the other guy with the band drama (can't remember your name as i'm typing this), it sounds like these people were never your friends in the first place, so i wouldn't expect much from them (especially if they want to jam a'la Journey...). Do you have similar issues with friends?

      Looking back on my life, i can say that i've always gone through phases in which i wasn't sure if i could trust my friends. There have been only a few people who i've never doubted, and they are the people i've been friends with for 20 years or more. What i find most often is that people never seem as willing to meet me halfway as i need them to be. I reach out more, initiate more, invite more, and it comes back about 25% or less. In high school i finally recognized that i was chasing after the wrong crowd, but i don't think that's the case now. If there are people in my area with whom i resonate in terms of values, interests and lifestyle, i've found them. I've also done a lot of work on myself in the past 3 years, releasing old negative patterns and thoughtforms, and the result has been that i've attracted exactly the kind of people i would like to call my friends. BUT, they are still unreliable, won't go the extra mile for me, and are hot & cold every other time i see them. I've heard from others that this is just the way people are in Seattle--but most people don't seem bothered by this. It drives me insane, and causes me to cycle back into hermitage time and time again.
      • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 12:19 AM
        Yes we do hold ourselves to higher standards then others. It doesnt nesicarily make us better but then again if you dont try you will never achieve. of course an unintendid consequence of this is that people are constantly disapointing us. As for myself I have a 145 IQ, not a very accurate way of mesuring a persons worth, but it helps to illistrate why I have only one person in this world I would call a friend. This has happend to me many times. I meet people i like, but they are used to being the most inteligent person they know, then i show up and out do them, and they really get pissed off. Its a long complicated story but suffice it to say I have trouble keeping friends even those who are closest to me. Whats worse is that people hate being outdone by someone in there 20's , and noone ever wants to listen to me because I make them feel stupid. Even if i have information that could drastically increase the quality of their life. My roomates dont invite me out anymore, im guessing because I wouldnt fit in with the crowd. Perhaps like so many caps are destined to walk the path of life alone forever. Furthermore im not very good looking so that erases all hope of pity. IF i was really hot i could at least just shut up and attract people but se la vi. No i suspect that like most capps i am what they call a late bloomer. once i finally finish college and get a few grey hairs. not only will people be ready to listen, but they will pay me a butload of money for it. That is, if the job of crazy old genuis professor isnt outsorced to china. lol ok well see you there :_)(
        • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

          Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:08 PM
          you know kyle, for a guy with a 145 IQ, you sure have a spelling problem! no offense really...i suppose even the particularly brilliant can't have it all... don't ask me about my math skills!

          regarding the friends issue:

          MAN! i'm on the same page there...even today i'm in the process of peeling one of them off...it seems i'm having to shed some unnecessary baggage this year...this includes fat, furniture and unfortunately friends...or those i have called such in haste i guess...time will tell who the true ones are!
          • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

            Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:34 PM
            Indeed It will. I consider myself very lucky to have one friend that i trust implicitly. That is worth a hundred "kind of" friends or roughly a million myspace friends. Of course she lives 600 miles away. It would be nice just to hang out with some peps or homies or some such thing, but i digress this is definatly a year of house cleaning. ive moved, completely changed my lifestyle, started to excersize, and had to get a new job, etc. etc. just gota keep reaching i supose and sooner or later.... how's that saying go? "All good things in time"
            Anyway yes I am painfully aware of my spelling problem. Especially since im planning on becomeing an english teacher :( Unfortunately I like so many of my generation and later have fallen victum to the spell checker, which is unavailable in tribes posts. OH well ill have to learn i guess. for sore reason the word nesicary really getss me even if i look at it right and memorize it. something to do with how my brain works I think.
            • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

              Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:01 PM
              O jeez....I have this issue right now. I really want a female friend. I can't seem to find one. I go to all the places I like and I try to make friends and make nice. I either run into really stupid girls that can't keep up with my dialogue or I think I scare them away. Maybe they think I am a lesbian?!?! I am not sure.


              Of course my one and true only friend in the whole world lives in Dallas, TX so I have to hop a plane to see her. I just miss having that one person to roll with you wherever whenever. With my friend I could be like...let's go to Europe and she would go with me, the only problem is we are in person type of people. Not phone people. So of course to get her to do this now would mean I would have to go down there and drag her to Eruope.


              How do you find friends? I just don't know...I don't fit in with the regular crowd, I try but I need a girl that can just roll and isn't flaky. I have a lot of flaky girlfriends so they really aren't my freinds.
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                Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:18 PM
                well i have some really good friends... but as of lately i am having problems with a few of my friends... could be transiting saturn still in my darn 11th house.

                But overall i make friends easily & like diversity-- i have a libra ascendant. many of my friends probably would not get along with each other...lol... but the one thing common is that i may not call for a month and its like i called them a few days ago. i dont really test my friends. we get along or we don't and i intuitively know how to gauge our friendship. I find life is enough of a test and when it comes down to it the only person you can really count on is yourself. i also believe unconditional love is something you can only give yourself :-) ... maybe that is why people are so into doggies these days; the easy way out :-)
                • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                  Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:48 PM
                  Hahahahaha. I agree with so much you have to say! I do make friends pretty easily, but guy friends. All my friends are from different walks of life, but most of them don't live near me. So I have the thing happen where we might not talk for a long tim, but then talk and things are normal as they were before.

                  I am really trying to focus on being a good friend to myself. Maybe if I just continue with that path then someone will come along if I need them?

                  I dunno. I have a boyfriend and I love him to death and we live together, but sometimes I just want to go hang out with a friend that is a girl and just do girly things. Hahahaha.....I never thought I needed a girlfriend until I moved away from my best friend.
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                    Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                    Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:34 AM
                    Oh I thought it was just me aka friendless wonder, a self-given title.My prob is no doubt compounded by the fact that I'm just about the only American in what is a small (at times it's a case of small town, small minds!)University town where folks either come & go or have life long friends and little need for new ones.Believe me, I have tried hard to alternate being interesting and friendly with just being open to new friends though both yield the same result- not much. It also doesn't help that I've somehow been labled withthe "posh" label, for what to me are really dumb things to judge a person for: making coffee from fresh ground beans,bringing cold asian noodles with vegetables for lunch,reading a quality newspaper instead of a tabloid.I almost feel discriminated for this but I can't change what is still a class-based society.I even had somone who I'm pretty sure is much better off than I give me the posh insult "oh you are posh, aren't you?"for getting a nice quality(not a flashy -trashy name brand designer)handbag when i was in Italy.

                    I have had friends come and go, some move away, others just never call or return calls.I even replied to a friends wanted ad but get the feeling I won't get the call back. Ok enough of my woe is me!
                • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                  Sat, July 12, 2008 - 7:49 PM
                  Absolutely, Makara! Could not agree more with what you said here.

                  I, too, make friends easily but I may have somewhat of a guard with some more than others until after I have known them for a while. Certain people have come into my life where I just know I can trust them. I rarely even consider testing or thinking about how much I trust my friends. Basically, I trust them until they prove untrustworthy. Luckily, I believe I tend to draw some really amazing and beautiful people into my life. Once in a while I find someone in my circle may be drawing more energy from me than they should, and in that case, I may tend to back off. It just depends on the person.

                  But what it really comes down to is this: if you put out the energy of love and show that you love and trust yourself, the people you draw will be the right ones. And your gut and own judgment will let you know if someone should be allowed to get too close. Trust yourself above all things! And if you need to let someone go, let them go with love. Maybe they are just going through some crap that we have no idea about, or can comprehend, and maybe they'll come back around when things are better. And if they don't, then you still have yourself.
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                    Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                    Wed, July 16, 2008 - 1:54 AM
                    "The ability to spell can indicate general intelligence. Remembering a set sequence of letters indicates the mind's ability to retrieve remembered facts. Learning how to spell and use the words of a language is almost a complete IQ test in itself. Although poor spellers with high IQ scores can be found, it is rare, and in general--everything else being equal--the better spellers have higher IQ scores."

                    So you are a rare gem, Kyle.
                    ;)
                    i seem to recall my IQ score being pretty high, or maybe i was pretty high when i took the test and that's why i don't remember the score. Spelling is paramount to me, as is good grammar. High IQ or control freak? You decide.

                    I also draw amazing, talented and beautiful people into my life. But they never stick! Is it me? I just can't figure it out. I often feel that i'm not important to anyone other than my children. Maybe that's all that matters anyway.
                    • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                      Wed, July 16, 2008 - 3:33 AM
                      Yes if you follow traditional paridigms of the word inteligence you are absolutely right. Mathimatical / spacial abilities, understanding patterns etc etc. are considered mesurements of intelligence. It is why people who are " Book smart" are so sucessfull in our society. Unfortunately thare are many many ways to measure inteligence. Lets take Bob Dylan, for example, without a doubt a lerical genius, but i doubt he'd score very high on a modern IQ test. I could name artistic geniuses for hours. most of them I gurante had areas in which they considerably lacked skill. Math, spelling ,grammer, in fact I bet you could find many geniuses who never even learned to read. so the more you think about it the more ludicrious a set numerical value for inteligence becomes completely arbitrary and ludricrious really. Personally I never placed as much stress on how a word was spelled so much as the meaning. If i put a little effort into it I would have it down in no time. It also has alot to do with how each individuals brain stores data. I think more in concepts, sounds and pictures, then i do letters words and symbols. This is the basis for the common understanding of "right brained" and" left brained" individuals. Left brained individualls have much faster recall, and can much more easilly remember symbols. Right brained individuals, on the other hand might take longer to recall data but they get a more abstract, general, or nuanced picture. Either way the fact that a "right brainer" who cant spell, and can barely do algebra can score pretty good on a test that largly tests left brain abilities. should say something. Again Im not trying to compete with anyone, though people always seem to think i am. Im simply exploring who I am. If i sound proud of who I am or like I like who I am well thats good isn't it?
                      I thinks everyones probably tired of complaining about having no friends anyway. I know i am lol.
                      though heres a thought. I try and think of these things in terms of what I can do for others not the reverse. If I have close relationships that turn out to be temporary I try and ask myself If maybe ive helped that person in some way. I believe that we are tools of fate or kharma if you will. Life isnt about how many warm and fuzzy feelings we can rack up so much as how many we can help others have. and what we can teach the world, and bring to it. If you had a briliant and beutifull friend maybe all they needed kharmically is a few leasons from you and then too move on. we capricorns especially often forget how dramatically we can effect other peoples lives. sometimes it takes only a few well placed words to completely change someones outlook on life. finally I always say " you can't change people only inspire them" we exist to be each others muses. with that perspective "friends" become less of a necessity ( damn that word again)
                      • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                        Wed, July 16, 2008 - 8:50 AM
                        Kyle I like the way you think. I am not the best when it comes to grammar or spelling either and sometimes people think I am less intelligent due to that, but give them a chance to talk with me and that tends to go right out the window. They may think, well she isn't the best with spelling & grammar, but she is not stupid by any means. I do get concepts, emotions, pictures & sounds down pat though. I was just wondering about how people say all the time that if you can read really well then you most likely will improve your writing. For some reason that never applied to me. I would read for hours and hours, but it never improved my writing in school. What did though was just sitting down and really trying to focus on that aspect and appreciate the language and knowing that if I could write a little better I will be taken more serious. Although I am an accountatnt, I don't do well with adding simple numbers. I used to be very very good at the higher end math, especially geometry becauwse it was all about concepts, laws, and sometimes just imagining in your mind what the end result should be and look like.

                        Anywhoo...I also agree with the fact that sometimes people come in and out of your life due to fate and that we play a role in their life at that moment. I truly believe this is so. I have friends that I will never forget and love to death, but would never talk to or be around today. I love them for the lessons they taught me and what the represent.

                        I am coming more to terms with the fact (espeically after talking with all of you all on here) that it is more about having a friendship with yourself. That way when friends come and go you still are your best friend & cheerleader in life. :) I still have pangs for those relationships that aren't there, but I just remember that I have to give them to myself. For example, last night I was complaining to my boyfriend about how I dont' ahve any girlfriends to just be like..."okay lets go out and have a great time and forget the guys" BUT I do have myself. I can tell myself..."okay april it is time to get up and go have a good time and just hang out" I dont' mind doing things alone, so why should not having a friend to join me stop me?!?!

                        Maybe this is the hippy in me....but we should all be friends! hahahaha.....


                        :)
                    • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                      Wed, July 16, 2008 - 2:21 PM
                      Each time I read a post from Mme 7 I think : "C'est MOI!" (or someone close). Being a speller, a grammarian, loving syntax and beautiful phrases, poetry, literature, oratory and compelling dramatic moving speech... I think it's not controlling to want these things properly handled, it's FUN dammit... do like the idea "when you want things, give things". And, Madame, you ARE realizing the unconditional love of your children. Have 2 also and nothing comes close. Maybe we only get 4 or 6 good friends in each phase of our lives (and I do not mean the 1,000s of tribe or myspace 'friends' as included)? Maybe you are doing so much in this phase of your life with your family and making ends meet as a hard-working persevering Capricorn that there isn't time enough? At any rate, I admire you and your quest...sending love...
                      • Re: anyone else have trouble with friends?

                        Thu, July 17, 2008 - 12:49 AM
                        awww....now you're making me feel like i do have friends after all.
                        shhh! don't interfere with my complaining, it defines me! Without complaining, i won't know who i am anymore. I must remain friendless so that i continue to have something to bitch about, because everything else in my world is A-OK.

                        Kyle you brought up a good point and i thank you for that.
                        i know that i inspire and motivate people but it's easy to forget when i don't get feedback from them. I need to remember that sometimes people are so moved to activate that they just keep walking after the energy transaction took place. It's always been important to me that i'm validated by others. Is this an ego thing? An insecurity? I have a hard time believing when i don't hear it directly from them. But you're right, the really important thing is that we connect with others, even if it's just momentarily. Damn my Cancer Moon for making me want lifetime friends!

                        As for the right/left brain and spelling, well, i'm definitely a right-brainer but i've always been an impeccable speller. I also learn foreign languages easily so maybe that's part of the same learning style family. In math i did well with Geometry, Trigonometry and basic algebra, but when it came to calculus i was just like, "what the F*cK!?" I saw no use for that in my future and decided not to waste another brain cell on it, quit advanced math and science and aimed for art school instead of Marine Biology. I thank my art teacher for the encouragement, as i would be a totally different person had i gone to Cornell for Marine Biology. Maybe i never would have had the spiritual awakening or epiphanies i've had. Maybe i'd still be a non-believer, a cynic, skeptic, Atheist, maybe i'd be a norm, a MySpacer, a yuppie bore.

                        Well speaking of the past, i have recently been reconnecting with old friends so at least i can say i've got a few who haven't given up on me.

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